In my previous post, I shared my personal timeline going back to Uhtred the Bold, Bamburgh Castle and early Northumbria. Within that lineage, I found one Judith of Lens who married Waltheof of Northumbria and gave me that link back to the history of Northumbria. What is important and special about Judith of Lens is that she also takes me back to Rollo of Normandy! Many of us know Rollo for his current claim to fame in the Vikings Saga. If you follow this blog, you are well aware that I have always had a certain affinity or fondness for Rollo. Of course, it does help that Clive Standen does such a fine job of portraying him and probably makes him much more appealing to watch than the real Rollo would have been. As I’ve watched the series unfold, I have become much more interested in the character and true history of Rollo than that of Ragnar. That is not because of Clive’s portrayal of the character although that does not hurt, but because of the actual history and the importance of Rollo and Normandy. If you look at the history of the Vikings and compare the events or accomplishments of Ragnar and Rollo, it is clear that as far as Viking history and events go, Rollo of Normandy had a far more important and long lasting impact than Ragnar Lodbrok. Ragnar is more of a myth or legend and his claims to fame have come more from the actions of his sons than any of his own accomplishments. When you look at his sons, even their claims to fame were relatively short lived and can not really be documented much deeper than their individual involvements in the Great Heathen Wars that constituted one portion of the Viking era in England. Rollo of Normandy though, left a dynasty and legacy of many future generations that is verifiable and documented.
Season 4 of the Vikings Saga will soon be upon us and we will see how Michael Hirst’s version of the Viking era plays out. While we should all be in agreement that this show is more historical fantasy than actual history, Mr. Hirst has made numerous assurances and promises that he will present Rollo’s story more according to actual historical events than fantasy. Perhaps this is due to the fact that Rollo’s life and accomplishments are more historically sound than the events of Ragnar’s or even Ecbert’s…
By including Rollo in this family story as a brother of Ragnar, I think in a way that Hirst painted or wrote his way into a corner with Rollo’s story. Now, he must find a way to get Rollo out of that corner, separate him from the confines of Ragnar’s story and from the events that will take place in England. So far, he has made a start at this separation by creating the rivalry and possible betrayal of Ragnar on the part of Rollo. He has set up a scenario whereby it will be possible to set Rollo’s story up as separate from Ragnar and his family. If you look at the truer history of Rollo, there is little actual documentation of his Danish or Norse family ties so it would seem that for what ever reason, Rollo did indeed separate himself from any of those family ties. That is not to say that he separated himself from his Viking heritage, traditions or beliefs because throughout his life he seemed to hold on to many of those traditions and beliefs. What we glimpse in previews of season 4 is Rollo realizing that he must choose between family and personal destiny.
Rollo must follow his own destiny even if it means a betrayal of his brother Ragnar. I know that this story arc has in a way turned into an us against them, team Ragnar vs team Rollo following or feeling but in reality, this confrontation and closing has to take place for the story to move on. Perhaps Rollo does have to betray Ragnar in order to achieve his own goals, his own success in life. If he has to betray Ragnar, so be it… Ragnar will be dead before Rollo anyway. As for the future that the preview shows us, my bigger concern is for Bjorn- it appears as though power may be corrupting him and going to his head bit?
Now, back to Rollo… he seems to be adjusting to the Frankish customs and life rather well if you ask me!
credit to @teamStanden for the photos of Rollo!
I am digressing and getting a bit side tracked here because my main intent for this post is to share more about the real Rollo and my personal connection to him, ancient and distant as it may be! So, let us return to the original focus of this discussion- which is my path back to Rollo through Judith of Lens. Let’s play a quick game of six degrees of separation… How are these people connected to each other?
I have spent the past few weeks trying to sort through the tangled webs and branches of my tree and figure out this connection. There were some extremely tangled branches due that pesky habit they had back then of marrying relatives, casting off wives, disowning each other or legitimizing children of concubines and mistresses, and that does not include the habit of listing heirs or offspring by their land titles or such instead of a common surname! Anyway, I have now untangled enough to trace a lineage back through Judith of Lens to Rollo.
For those of you unfamiliar with Judith of Lens, you can read her story in this previous article.
You can also read more about her and Waltheof of Northumbria in a book by Elizabeth Chadwick called the Winter Mantle. The book is historical fiction- I definitely would not call it historical romance unless of course you consider a husband who commits treason and gets beheaded for it, and a wife who turns bitter and resentful a romance? Elizabeth Chadwick provides excellent historical details and events while creating two stories that cover the time and lives of Judith of Lens, Waltheof of Northumbria, their daughter Maude of Huntington and her husband Simon De Senlis. She also includes some a not so likable or pleasant portrayal of Judith’s Mother Adelaide of Normandy who was a sister to William the Conqueror. It is more of an epic lifetime saga than a romance and my only minor disappointment was in the fact that she ended the story before Simon’s death and Maude’s marriage to King David of Scotland! I will admit that had she included that portion, the book would have gone beyond the bounds of epic and been far too long for most people to keep going with the story. I am probably one of few who would endure the added length in order to read the rest of Maude’s story unfold!
Judith of Lens
Maude of Huntington
Adelaide of Normandy
Waltheof of Northumbria
After picking through all of the threads of my lineage, here is my connection back to Rollo through Judith of Lens.
Relationship to me
34th great-grandfather
son of Robert I Rollo The Viking Rolf the Ganger Prince of Norway & Saint De Normandie Count of Rouen Ragnvaldsson
son of William I Longsword of Normandy 2nd Duke of Normandy
daughter of Judith of Lens
son of Maud Matilda Queen Consort of the Scots, Countess of Huntingdon and Northumbria
son of John Workman
son of John William Workman
assassination of William Longsword
Sproata, concubine of William I of Normandy
It is with young Richard that we find the men who had been loyal to Rollo stepping up to save the boy and the future of Normandy. With the death of Richard’s father in 942, King Louis IV of France seized the lands of the Duchy of Normandy. The king installed the boy Richard in his father’s office, and placed him in the custody of the count of Ponthieu. He then split up the Duchy, giving its lands in lower Normandy to Hugh the Great. The King used the excuse that he was seeing to the young nobleman’s education, but at the same time was giving some of Richard’s lands in Lower Normandy to Hugh the Great, Count of Paris. Louis IV thereafter kept Richard in solitary confinement at Lâon, but the youth escaped from imprisonment with assistance of Osmond de Centville, Bernard de Senlis (who had been a companion of Rollo of Normandy), Ivo de Bellèsme, and Bernard the Dane (ancestor to the families of Harcourt and Beaumont). According to legend, Richard refused to eat while in captivity. Because he appeared ill, the guard on him was relaxed. Osmond de Centville secretly entered Laon and smuggled Richard out of his confinement, reportedly by hiding him in a truss of hay. They then took refuge with Bernard of Senlis. In 1854 Charlotte Yonge retold the story of Richard in a series of stories called “The Little Duke.” These stories, in turn, inspired Mark Twain’s book, “The Prince and the Pauper.”
Richard the fearless
Besides these men, another Viking is often mentioned in relation to Richard. By 944 Louis IV’s soldiers had invaded Normandy again, and had seized control of Rouen, while Hugh the Great, Count of France invaded Lower Normandy around Bayeux. The alliance between Louis and Hugh, always historically unstable, broke down, when Bernard the Dane suggested to Louis that Hugh was getting more than his share of Normandy land. Hugh, in response to the King’s hostility, joined an alliance of Normans loyal to Richard and Danish Vikings under Harold (Harald) of Bayeux or of The Bassin. This alliance ultimately defeated King Louis. Harald continued to be of assistance to Richard and Normandy. According to Flodoard, King Louis was invited to a meeting with this Harold in order to discuss peace terms. Louis arrived with only a few men; Harold killed most of his men and Louis fled to Rouen where other Northmen, previously thought to be friendly to Louis, captured him. He was only released to Hugh the Great when Louis gave his son Charles as a hostage at Rouen. Although Louis was eventually given his freedom, the new alliance of Hugh of France and Richard of Normandy was now the new power in the region.
In 946, Richard agreed to “commend” himself to Hugh, the Count of Paris. At the age of 14, Richard allied himself with the Norman and Viking leaders in France, drove king Louis IV’s army out of Rouen, and successfully took back Normandy from him by 947. Richard with the backing, the council and advice from those much older Viking Warriors took control and it might be said that he was the one most responsible for turning his Grandfather’s dream into a solid reality, a Kingdom to be reckoned with and if not liked, at least respected and possibly feared by other countries. By 966 he was using the title “Marquis des Normands.” He never used the title Duke of Normandy, though some historians have retroactively assigned it to him. Richer of Rheims refers to him as “dux pyratorum” or “leader of the pirates”. In no sense did he mean “dux” as an official title. Richard was also given the nickname of “Sans Peur” or The Fearless.
Throughout Richard’s reign, there was continued connection and involvement with Viking factions which would suggest that while his Grand father Rollo may have severed personal family ties, he did not severe his connection to the Vikings. In 961 a Viking band arrived in the Seine Valley and conducted raids towards the Brittany border and around Chartres. It is possible these Vikings had the tacit support of Richard because the raids provoked hostility between Richard and an alliance of King Lothair and Theobald, Count of Chartres and Blois. Theobald attacked the Norman cities of Évereux and Roeun, and the Normans, in return, attacked Dunois and burned Chartres. This conflict raged for four years. It is reported that Harold the Dane again came to the aid of Richard in 962. Unless the medieval historians confused this war with the one of 945, this may be the same Harold who resided in the vicinity of Bayeux when William Longsword died.
Eventually Richard did swear allegiance to Louis’ successor Lothar [Lothaire] in 965 at Gisors and the King acknowledged Richard’s rule over the Bessin, the Contetin and the Avranchin regions of Normandy. Richard promised to rebuild and restore the monastery of Mont. St. Michael, which he acquired in the agreement. Other than these early conflicts, Richard’s long reign was relatively peaceful. After 965, Viking raids in the area ceased. Richard quarreled with King Æthelred (Ethelred) II of England. At the time the Danes had invaded England and taken control over much of the eastern part of country. Apparently the Normans had been purchasing a lot of the loot. In 991 Richard agreed to a non-aggression pact with King Æthelred, probably to keep either side from sheltering Viking marauders.
Gunnora wife of Richard the fearless
Gunnora
Richard’s formal marriage to Gunnora was certainly carried out in order to legitimize their children, especially his eldest son and heir Richard II and his second son Robert who Richard had appointed as the Archbishop of Reoun.
All we know about Gunnora is that she was from a “noble family of Danes”, and so her family was probably one of the many Nordic settlers or their descendants that lived in Normandy. According to Legend the young Richard was hunting in the forests of Normandy when he met and was attracted to a young lady named Sainsfrida (Senfrie), the daughter of a forester of Arques. Sainsfrida was, however, married and so sent her sister Gunnora to Richard. The chronicles do not give the name of her parents. Since their eldest son Richard II was born about 953, their relationship must have begun some time before this date. In spite of conjecture in many family trees, there is absolutely no evidence that she was the daughter of Harold Bluetooth, King of Denmark. She was referred to as Gunnora Harldsdottir but it is likely that she may have been the daughter of the previously mentioned Harald the Dane who, contrary to some popular assumption is not the same Harald as Harald Bluetooth.
statue of Poppa
Poppa of Bayeux
Norman chronicler William of Jumieges uses the term explicitly to refer to two relationships:
- Rollo, founder of the Norman dynasty, had taken captive at Bayeux, Poppa, daughter of a count, Berengar. Dudo of Saint-Quentin relates that they had been joined in marriage (“connubium”), William of Jumieges describing that Rollo had joined himself to her by more danico. She was mother of his son William Longsword. It is related that he put Poppa aside to marry Gisela, daughter of Charles the Simple, and that when Gisela died, he returned to Poppa. However, the absence of any record of this royal princess or her marriage in Frankish sources suggests the entire supposed marriage to Gisela may be apocryphal.
- William Longsword in his turn, had a son and heir by a woman whose name is given as Sprota. William of Jumieges reports that Longsword was bound to her pursuant to the mos danicus (“danico more iuncta”). The chronicler Flodoard refers to her simply as Longsword’s ‘Breton concubine’ (“concubina britanna”). William would formally marry Luitgarde of Vermandois, daughter of Heribert II, count of Vermandois. [Dudo iii, 32 (p. 70)], who following William’s death remarried to Thibaut, count of Blois. Sprota, who was mother of Longsword’s heir, Richard I, Duke of Normandy, is said to have been forced to become concubine of Esperleng, the rich owner of several mills, by whom she became mother of Rodulf of Ivry, although it is unclear if this occurred at the time of William’s marriage to Luitgarde, or at his death.
- Richard I carried on the tradition of more danico with Gunnora. She was his wife more danico or concubine as early as sometime in 950s even though he entered into a Christian marriage with Emma daughter of Hugh the Great, Count of Paris. She was born about 943 and died after 19 Mar 968. After her death he eventually married Gunnora in the Christian manner to ensure legitimacy of their many children after the church began taking a stricter approach and view on the more danico marriages.
While many may perceive the relationship between Rollo and Poppa as that of her being a captive slave or just a mistress, in reality it was more likely a relationship and marriage of importance in terms of alliances and politics of the time. Being of some high status herself, Poppa would probably have taken this relationship seriously and expected to be treated with the respect due her rank and status. When she gave birth to son William in 893, she provided the much needed heir to the dynasty and would have sealed an alliance between Normandy and Bayeux. William was the heir apparent most likely would have been treated with high regard and esteem… given advantages and a much easier life than Rollo had. There is reference to Rollo being well attached to his son and at one point he sent William to Bayeux to learn more of the Norse ways of Northmen residing within Bayeux. From most accounts though, William was far more interested in becoming more Frankish and as a result his own people rebelled against him. It seems that this may have been a case of William possibly being over indulged, given too much advantage and not having had to truly work for his title… not such an uncommon occurence for many heirs or children of a parent who has worked to achieve wealth and standing. William was born in 893 while Rollo was working towards his greatness. This meant that Rollo was absent during most of William’s youth so his upbringing was most likely left predominantly to Poppa who was of Noble birth and would have raised William within that context of privilage and esteem. Rollo ruled until 927, which put William well into adulthood with little chance of ruling… it probably seemed to him that Rollo was going to live forever! This situation left William as a well privelaged adult with not a whole lot to do besides enjoy his Father’s wealth. When Rollo turned over the rule to his son in 927, he may have had concerns but probably felt that his son was capable of ruling and continuing along the path he had set. He also had few other choices… William was his only son and at the time, he was the legitimate heir. Had Rollo chosen someone else to rule, there would have been rebellion from some faction.
Rollo died in 931 and William quickly began to make changes and rebelling against his Father’s policies. He set about building up his allegiances and alliances to the French Kings which caused the Norman Nobles to dissent. In 935, he went so far as to marry his younger sister Gerloc to William, Count of Poitou with the approval of Hugh the Great. At the same time he At the same time Longsword married Luitgarde, daughter of Count Herbert II of Vermandois whose dowry gave him the lands of Longueville, Coudres and Illiers l’Eveque. In addition to supporting King Raoul, he was now a loyal ally of his father-in-law, Herbert II, both of whom his father Rollo had opposed.
At the time of his arranged marriage to Luitgarde, William had a wife more danica, Sprota as well as his son and heir, Richard. This new marriage left Sprota and Richard in a difficult situation. He did provide for her and Richard during this period as there was reference to her living in her own household at Bayeux under his protection but she was now looked on as a cast off concubine rather than a wife. Richard was left to endure the being the subject of ridicule, the French King Louis “abused the boy with bitter insults”, calling him “the son of a whore who had seduced another woman’s husband.”
William’s actions during this time led to his ultimate downfall and death which in turn led to his young son Richard having to fight against all odds to reclaim his title and regain control of Normandy. So, essentially Richard was in much the same position as his Grandfather Rollo had been, fighting and working to achieve his worth and his fame. After regaining control of Normandy in about 960, Richard spent the remainder of his lengthy reign focused on Normandy itself, and participated less in Frankish politics and its petty wars. In lieu of building up the Norman Empire by expansion, he stabilized the realm and reunited the Normans, forging the reclaimed Duchy of his father and grandfather into West Francia’s most cohesive and formidable principality. Rather than outright war, Richard used marriage to build strong alliances. His marriage to Emma of Paris connected him directly to the House of Capet. His second wife, Gunnora, from a rival Viking group in the Cotentin, formed an alliance to that group, while her sisters formed the core group that were to provide loyal followers to him and his successors. His daughters forged valuable marriage alliances with powerful neighboring counts as well as to the king of England. He also strengthened ties to the church presumably understanding how important the church alliances were. Richard also built on his relationship with the church, restoring their lands and ensuring the great monasteries flourished in Normandy. His further reign was marked by an extended period of peace and tranquility.
While William may not have been successful in his reign or achievements, his son Richard more than made up for his inadequacies. Also, William’s decision to marry his sister into the house of Poitou and Aquitaine would prove to be one of his better decisions.
Gerloc (or Geirlaug), baptised in Rouen as Adela (or Adèle) in 912, was the daughter of Rollo, first duke of Normandy, and his wife, Poppa. She was the sister of Duke William Longsword. In 935, she married William Towhead, the future count of Poitou and duke of Aquitaine. They had two children together before she died on 14 October 962:
Through her son William IV of Aquitaine, she would be ancestor to Dukes of Aquitaine and to Eleanor of Aquitaine. Her daughter Adelaide would go on to become a Queen of France.
Dukes of Aquetaine
Adbelahide or Adele or Adelaide of Aquitaine (or Adelaide of Poitiers) (c. 945 or 952 – 1004) was the daughter of William III, Duke of Aquitaine andAdele of Normandy, daughter of Rollo of Normandy. Her father used her as security for a truce with Hugh Capet, whom she married in 969. In 987, after the death of Louis V, the last Carolingian king ofFrance, Hugh was elected the new king with Adelaide as queen. They were proclaimed at Senlis and blessed at Noyon. They were the founders of the Capetian dynasty of France.
| Picture | Name | Father | Birth | Marriage | Became queen | Ceased to be queen | spouse | |||
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Adelaide of Aquitaine | William III, Duke of Aquitaine | c. 945 | 970 | 3 July 987 | 1004 | Hugh | |||
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Rozala of Italy | Berengar II of Italy | c. 937 | 988 | 996 | 7 February 1003 | Robert II | |||
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Bertha of Burgundy | Conrad of Burgundy | c. 952 | 996 | 1035? | |||||
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Constance of Arles | William I, Count of Provence | 986 | 1003 | 25 July 1034 | |||||
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Matilda of Frisia | Liudolf, Margrave of Frisia | c. 1024 | 1034 | 1044 | Henry I | ||||
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Anne of Kiev | Yaroslav I, Grand Prince of Kiev | c. 1024 | 19 May 1051 | 1075 | |||||
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Bertha of Holland | Floris I, Count of Holland | c. 1055 | 1072 | 1094 | Philip I | ||||
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Bertrade de Montfort | Simon I de Montfort | c. 1070 | 15 May 1092 | 1117 | |||||
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Adélaide de Maurienne | Humbert II, Count of Savoy | 1092 | 3 August 1115 | 18 November 1154 | Louis VI | ||||
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Eleanor of Aquitaine | William X, Duke of Aquitaine | 1122 | 22 July 1137 | 1137 | 21 March 1152 annulment |
1 April 1204 | |||
The list of the Capetian dynasty is actually much longer. This above list is just a partial list of Queen Consorts for the Dynasty which continued until the death of Charles the IV in 1328. The dynasty had a crucial role in the formation of the French state. Initially obeyed only in their own demesne, the Île-de-France, the Capetian kings slowly, but steadily, increased their power and influence until it grew to cover the entirety of their realm. For a detailed narration on the growth of French royal power, see Crown lands of France.
As you’re wading through all of this you may be wondering where Gisela of France is, and why she is not mentioned anywhere in this information? Well, Gisela is not here because there simply is not enough verifiable evidence to back up her existence let alone her marriage to Rollo.
Gisela of France, also called Gisella or Giséle (fl. 911), was traditionally a French princess and the consort of Rollo, duke of Normandy. Gisela had no children. According to tradition, Rollo was betrothed to Gisela, daughter to the king of West Francia, Charles the Simple, after his conversion to Christianity upon his ascension as ruler of Normandy in 911. The marriage and the existence of Gisela are not confirmed. This excerpt from a book called Dictionary of Heroes gives an account of the supposed legend pertaining to Rollo and Gisela and also reaffirms the lack of any proof or evidence to back up the story. If she did exist and did marry Rollo, she died childless and he maintained his previous relationship with Poppa, the Mother of his children. So, for the purposes of lineage and ancestry or descendants of Rollo she would be inconsequential. Also, the accounts taken from the treaty of Saint Clair Epte only state that Rollo offered to marry her as a goodwill gesture. Since there is no definitive proof or documentation of any such actual marriage taking place, perhaps Rollo or Charles decided that the baptism would suffice and there was no need to carry things to such extreme as the marriage between the Viking and a Princess of France!
There is a Gisela listed as a daughter of Charles the Simple and his first wife Frederuna, daughter of Dietrich, Count in the Hamaland. Together they had six daughters:
There is always the possibility that having six daughters, Charles may have been willing to part with one of them in order to achieve some sort of peace but it does seem rather doubtful that a Carolingian King would allow for such an arrangement with one of their princesses that were so highly valued and esteemed. My one thought on this is that the daughter must really have annoyed and irritated him- obviously she would not have been a favored daughter for him to so willingly have traded her to a heathen Viking warrior. Hmmm come to think of it, perhaps it did happen and perhaps Hirst has given us a somewhat more accurate portrayal of history than we give him credit for?
If Mr Hirst goes for more historical accuracy with Rollo’s story, perhaps this will be a short lived marriage… Gisla will meet some sort of untimely or unfortunate demise and a woman named Poppa will show up. It’s hard to say where Mr. Hirst will take any of the story but at least now you know truer details of Rollo’s dynasty and legacy that includes so many generations of famous descendants as well as ordinary peons like myself.
And, at least now I know why I feel so compelled to remain loyal to Rollo despite his many faults, flaws and errors in judgement!
Time Slips 
I just saw new promo on facebook. A friend posted it. You know Hirst did a lot of close ups of Rollo’s arm ring. That’s very interesting. There was the deal made about Athelstan’s arm ring. Now I remember putting this up before. The Real Rollo was a Dane according to OriginFinders(Dna analysis), but he may have been a immigrant from Norway. Now in the series Rollo mentioned that his parents favored Ragnar. What if Rollo was adopted? I have seen elements from the movie the Godfather in this story. In fact, there was a book written, http://www.amazon.com/First-Norman-Conquest-Southern-Sicily/dp/0957092318 The mafia had it’s roots in the war between two rival cousins: Pedro of Aragon and Charles of Anjou. In the story of the Godfather, Vito Corleone’s parents were murdered by the mafia Don Ciccio. Vito is about 11 years old. He escapes as his mother is murdered. Vito’s mother yells Run Vito! and then she’s shot and obviously lying dead on the ground. Vito sees what happens and runs into the woods. He goes to the house of a friend and the friends hide Vito in the basket on the back of a donkey. He’s smuggled to a ship. You see him coming to New York where his name is changed and he goes to live with a relative. Here he lives quietly. Vito marries a woman and has some babies. Fanucci steals Vito’s money and harasses Vito. VIto resolves to take care of this problem and murders Fanucci. Vito then goes back to Corleone and murders Don Ciccio. So Vito unwittingly becomes the Godfather. Now we know Halfdan the Black murdered Rollo’s grandfather in the legend written about him, and Rollo was exiled to Denmark and eventually had to leave. Halfdan the black is supposed to be in the series. Halfdan’s son was king of Norway after killing the other Earls. So what if the arm ring is the ring of Rollo’s real father? In the legend Rollo’s father was the earl of the Orkney Islands. What if that’s why Rollo went apeshit when Siggy died saving those boys? What if it was his mother that died saving him. We will see. That could be the significance of the arm ring.
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I found the likelihood of Gisla never existing a more pleasant option than Rollo treating some young princess cruelly and confining her until she died young and childless. On that note, some historians dispute the existence of “Poppa,” though they do agree that Rollo fathered offspring with some Christian woman.
If Hirst actually did this, it would be quite a cynical and callous move. And it just sounds inconsistent with the story and the hints so far. They spend four episodes in Season 3 building up Gisla as relevant showing that she is the source of political will and courage. Clive Standen said that Gisla is Rollo’s biggest “mountain to climb” for him to “win her to his side,” promising that their relationship is a major conflict of the show. Even the show’s official Instagram account posted pictures of Gisla, asking “Can she rule?”
Are they sending out all these suggestions of her importance just to cursorily dispose of her? Some false flag campaign? Well, maybe they want to suckerpunch people like “Game of Thrones” does. However, even “Game of Thrones” usually gives the important characters a sizable amount of chapters and episodes to influence the story before bumping them off.
I did wonder whether Hirst was going to introduce a “Poppa” character in Season 3. For a time, I thought Therese might be a candidate for that role…until I learned her name was Therese and not Poppa. There could be other ways for Hirst to insert the character that do not necessarily require Gisla’s death. Maybe Gisla turns out to be barren and “Poppa” comes along to play the “Hagar” role. The Rollo/Gisla “shippers” pray that Hirst simply decides to combine Gisla and Poppa into the same character. Of course, that would not be historically accurate, if that actually matters to Hirst.
If Hirst wants to start hewing to historical accuracy for Rollo, he has some catching up to do. And that is leaving aside the chronology problem. Most of the historical accounts say that Rollo was already affiliated with Poppa before he ever negotiated with Charles. Some of the sources even say that he had already sired his son William abroad in Scandinavia before Saint-Clair-sur-Epte. If Rollo already had a consort and children of his own at this point in the show, it would detract from the character arc Hirst wrote. Hirst probably thought it was more dramatic and sympathetic to portray Rollo as a rootless man without a wife, family, or home of his own who now tries to find all that in Francia. More compelling and endearing to be sure, but not historically accurate. So I wonder at what point Hirst is going to disrupt the dramatized image of Rollo to comply with the historical record.
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Megalodon, I agree that Hirst is probably not going to kill her off, but most likely has combined her character with Poppa’s. He has certainly combined and changed enough other historical figures so why should Gisla/Poppa be any different. I only put the suggestion out there more as random remote possibility. I do think there is more feasability for Poppa’s existence and relationship than for Gisla’s historically.
As I mentioned, I think Hirst wrote himself into a corner with Rollo and now has to find a way out of that corner! When he went with the idea of Rollo being the “Rollo” of Normandy, he opened up a huge can of wormies in that Rollo of Normandy is such completely different story and come with his own bag of stories and legends attached to him. Hirst could have just left Rollo as Ragnar’s brother with no connection to the real Rollo and no one would have thought twice about it. Rollo was a fairly common name just as Ragnar was back then. Then when Hirst announced that he was going to follow Rollo’s historical path more closely and accurately, he set himself up for challenge and criticisms. If he had not made those comments and assurances, most of us history buffs would not be expecting anything more than what he’s already done to history. I think this is one time that Hirst has stepped a bit too far with his promises and I wonder how he is going to put Rollo’s story on some half way accurate track.
I do think this betrayal idea and a family falling out is probably his way of creating that separate path for Rollo.
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I wonder what percentage of the world’s population can trace their ancestry back to Rollo? Probably not as much as those descended from Genghis Khan, but I would think it would be a significant number.
Do you think you will do a post about the promo/trailer? I know this post is about your family genealogy, so I did not want to detract by making too many comments about the trailer.
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lol Well, realistically the post was kind of mixed between show and genealogy so your comments are not detracting! Hopefully this weekend I will have time to watch the promo closer and give my thoughts on it… My one immediate thought on watching was the comments Bjorn was making about how we can do anything we want to… thus my thought that perhaps power is going to his head???
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This is interesting – I have been working on tracing my ancestry back – and I am a direct decedent of Rollo – I have tried to go back further but the records and dates conflict in many cases. It is an interesting journey into the past!.
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I think Poppa was a Carolingian. One version of her ancestry is through Charlemagne’s grandson Bernard. I think another Viking married a woman named Giselle and they confused the two. It was a kidnapping. The legend says that Rollo saw her when he was sacking her city,and perhaps killed her father. She was a young teenager, and he thought she was pretty. Maybe he felt sorry for her because she was alone. Perhaps his Viking wife died. You don’t hear anything about Poppa for several years and she has a baby named William. It seems he may have tried to give the family some kind of monetary compensation. He could not marry her in a church because she was not able to consent because it was a kidnapping. This is why the history says Rollo and Poppa’s marriage was a natural marriage/Viking marriage. In their customs it was okay to kidnap someone, but then you were supposed to offer some kind of compensation to the family. The story about Giselle is an interesting story and has a lot of similarities with the story about Poppa. In that story, Giselle was too young for sex and pregnancy. Women died a lot in those days. So her attendants were casting nasty remarks at Rollo for waiting. In that story he gets angry and kills the attendants and sends her home to Charles the Bald. There are several stories about him, where people make remarks about his lack of interest in women. AS I said, perhaps his Viking wife died, and he was afraid Poppa would die in child birth because she was likely about 12 or 13 when kidnapped her. She has William maybe about age 18. So she was living with Rollo a while before having the baby. I found the books online. If you haven’t you can look the books up. Rollo is buried in Rouen Cathedral and a woman with her name is buried near him. http://www.robertsewell.ca/poppa.html I can’t imagine the kidnapping a 12 year old would go over well on the t.v. show. It’s too much like the nutbag that kidnapped Elizabeth Smart.
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According to most of the information I’ve looked at- and it’s been quite a lot in the last week- Poppa was born abt 870 and it was around 885 when she is connected to Rollo. That would put her at about 14… a fairly common age for marriage back then in either the Danish fashion or the Christian. Their son William was not born until after 889- most accounts mention 893. This would actually make her quite old in their view back then. Some sources refer to her as a captive, others refer to her as a wife more danico or wife in Danish tradition. Little is known about her or their relationship but most historians do agree that she was of high Francian nobility and possibly she might have been a captive or held more as a bargaining ensurement. Despite her initial status, their relationship seems to have been long term and some accounts refer to her having a brother who became an ally and comrade of Rollo’s.
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A beautiful preview from the Vikings France youtube page. The music is quite mournful.
You can probably discern some spoilers if you keep track of the prior trailers. This trailer shows Lagertha and Kalf kissing inside a tent, with Lagertha wearing what looks like a wedding dress. In previous clips, we have seen Lagertha standing outside the tent, wearing that same dress, without Kalf, and covered in blood.
Biggest shock to me is Aethelwulf hugging what looks like Kwenthrith during a snowstorm. I thought those two hated each other. And where could the two of them be that has snowy mountains?
And you will see a brief clip of Rollo and Gisla in their bedchamber. I don’t know if it’s supposed to be the same encounter as the one from previous clips (Rollo’s hair looks undone and different). Whenever it is, Rollo finally makes a move by gently unlacing her gown.
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Jeesh it was so short, it was hard to get much out of it! I am at the point where I am trying not to even pre-guess Hirst’s mind and story process. My only thought on Aethelwulf and Kweni is that everyone including Aethelwulf realizes what a dangerous scum lord Ecbert is… maybe he’s trying to help Kweni escape to somewhere safe? That would be in her best interests, and it would benefit Aethelwulf as well… if he can get her out of the country without having to kill her, he gets Mercia and he doesn’t have to answer to his God for killing her!
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After reviewing the prior bedchamber video, Gisla’s white gown does not have any laces or strings.
And upon closing examination of this video, the things in Rollo’s hand look more like…strands of hair. And his hair is loose, not tied in a ponytail or “man bun” like before.
Either Gisla is wearing a different gown that has laces…or perhaps this might be that “plot point” Clive Standen referred to.
Of course, the lighting is dark, so who can be certain at this point?
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I just found out today while tracing my maternal grandmother’s lineage via ancestry.com that Duke Rollo of Normandy is like my 40th great grandfather! I’m so excited! Related to French and English nobility. 🙂 I absolutely love the show ‘Vikings’, too! Sköl!
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I am enjoying the trek through my genealogy and found that I am decended from Rollo, the deBeauchamps, Neville, etc. Quite the journey.
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Hello long lost cousin! 🤣 I as well have been traced back to Judith and Rollo!! ♥️
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Hello to all my relations past and present that find themselves on this region of the internet 👋🏼
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Hello to all of my distant relations wherever you are in time or the world on this realm of the internet!
🌎 🌍 🌏
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